Sandeep Rathore from New Delhi on September 25, 2015: BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on April 28, 2015: Thanks for that Oliver. I'm Irish, hailing from Tipperary, and Ryan is my maiden name. Before reading your article, I'd remembered that the Celts/Gauls, then the Normans, then the survivors of the Armada brought French and Spanish and Basque etc., blood. Magnus ruled Britain, Gaul, Spain, the western edge of Germany and northern Italy, mostly wisely and certainly popularly, for 5 years, until Emperor Theodosius found the opportunity to build up his own forces and defeat Magnus's main army, then executed him and his son Flavius Victor. The article kind of makes it seem that the Spanish who arrived to Ireland were not Celts, but they were. I'm mixed Scottish/Irish origin, and I feel it behooves me to point out that Scotland, not Ireland has the per capita highest proportion of redheads on Earth. ; and I heard that from an Arthurian scholar who lives in Tintangel in Cornwall. Thanks for sharing. Therefore while the earliest English ancestors were very similar in DNA and culture to the tribes of Ireland, later arrivals to England have created more diversity between the two groups. Irish women are very good-natured, friendly and responsive. Norsemen began raiding the coasts of the British Isles and France in the 700s. Allegedly (but impossibly) Ireland was spotted from the top of a tower. Irish dancing was performed in Great Halls and Castles all around Ireland, accompanied by music made from bagpipes and harps. Special shoes are used to create the famous steps. The first known use of "England" to refer to the southern part of the island of Great Britain occurs in 897. So they were among the early Angles to settle in northern Britain and were sea traders there from their arrival in the 300s until very modern times. But go to those old coal valleys like the Rhondda and everyone is really Welsh and it's been like that for thousands of years, not unlike rural Ireland where everyone is really Irish. I've also visited Galicia some time ago. Marie McKeown (author) from Ireland on March 17, 2017: You are right about the red hair. Marie McKeown (author) from Ireland on July 09, 2013: You have a lot of interesting questions which unfortunately I cannot answer! BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on February 16, 2014: Hi Esnuni, I read the article in the link you gave and to be honest I am not impressed with it. Irish harp, traditional harp of medieval Ireland and Scotland, characterized by a huge soundbox carved from a solid block of wood; a heavy, curved neck; and a deeply outcurved forepillar—a form shared by the medieval Scottish harp. The Celtic Sea (between Ireland, South-West Britain and Brittany) and the Bay of Biscay have always contained major trading routes (and still do); this is how the "Atlantic" cultures came to share many characteristics. His friend Sidonius Apollinaris pleaded on his behalf and the death penalty was commuted to exile. You may even consider having some traditional Irish music played by a live band, or hire some Irish Pipers - the sky is the limit! Secondly, those from Jutland (the peninsula north from Germany) who are R1b. But it was the Scotii who came across in the 5th century. Dave Sumner from United States on March 01, 2016: Having recently gotten around to havning DNA testing done I found this Hub to be quite fascinating. I hope I could one day. That night was pitch black, so Attila planned a sneak attack on the Roman position, but when he approached it he was shocked to encounter a continual hail of arrows drove him back to his own camp. So, if taking into account that an admixture of more ancient people with newcomers during the late Neolithic and Bronze Ages accounted for Basques and Irish to have similar DNA, it does not make the Basques "Celts." The best way can be through churches if you know where your first emigrating ancestor went to church. And just because you have the same name it does not follow you have the same DNA. One theory about the origins of the term is that it describes Irish people who descend from survivors of the Spanish Armada. The story of Normandy is an interesting one. Alan was very courteous and seems to have been a favourite of the ladies, such as the Conqueror's sister Adelaide and his wife Matilda. And how do you separate the English from Denmark and the Danes from Denmark? And what happened to the original population of Britain, which I noticed was not mentioned? What does the future of road racing look like? The Alans he sent to Armorica and Galicia, thinking they'd cause trouble there, but they were accepted with open arms and settled in nicely, thank you. the fever islands then! We know that Norwegians from Ireland would sometimes be part of an a raiding party or even an army such as that defeated by Athelstan. I've been trying to find the piece but to no avail so far, I remember it mentioning a King but I just can't remember what his name was. My father had red hair. The dancing in Ireland became more sophisticated and admired in the 16th century. Despite what some pessimistic chroniclers of the time implied, there was extensive intermarriage between the native British and Anglo-Saxon immigrants. What Do Cloggers Look Like? Mom's father is an Owens (J2a3-L26). Research done into the DNA of the Irish has shown that our old understanding of where the population of Ireland originated may have been misguided. My father, two aunts, my half-sister and three cousins are/were full redheads, and two more cousins and myself have ginger hints/highlights in our hair/beards. As evidence for this, Basque has receded in historic times from Poitou, through Aquitaine, to Gascony in France, and a similar retreat has occurred in northern Spain to the currently recognised Basque country. However, the Irish also share their DNA to a large extent with the people of Britain, especially the Scottish and Welsh. However, the Armorican archers protected the Alans and wiped out the Hun front lines. One of the oldest texts composed in Ireland is the Leabhar Gabhla, the Book of Invasions. She was also red haired as is one of my sisters. In the British Isles, that's England, Ireland, Wales and Scotland, each person had their personal name and then a list going back several generations of who their father was. Wales was once a hub of industrial activity, and it attracted other British and Irish as well as people from other parts of Europe for the jobs available in the steel works and coal mines back a century ago. There is lot more which research can dig out. Thanks for a fun and informative look at Irish origins. While early Irish art shows some similarities of style to central European art of the Keltoi, historians have also recognized many significant differences between the two cultures. The outfit worn by men for Irish dancing is a kilt and jacket, with a cloak draped from the shoulder. Thanks for sharing. Several years ago a Scandinavian style broach was found in England. My ancestor emigrated from County Antrim to America in the early 1740's. Actually, in my opinion, it seems much more likely that the similarity results from the movement of people from the north of Ireland into Scotland in the centuries 400 - 800 AD. HI I'M From Gulf I was surprised me origin Irish test DNA Love realize Genuine. Monks. The obvious similarities of culture, pale skin, tendency to red hair have historically been prescribed to the two people's sharing a common Celtic ancestry. It is also interesting to note that the great missionaries and revolutionaries of South America were Basque. His dad was born in napa, California, USA. Many of these people live on Barbados and Montserrat. This article and its engagement is so AWESOME! Dark hair is common in Ireland, while dark complexions are more rare. Settlements on the edge or end of a township would be called Townsend so there are towns end scattered all over England. BigBlue54 In an earlier post you mentioned the english. Analysis of the remains of a 5,200 year-old Irish farmer suggested that the population of Ireland at that time was closely genetically related to the modern-day populations of southern Europe, especially Spain and Sardinia. The legend was that we were "Black Irish" and that we were descended from the survivors of the Spanish Armada. Having had a black haired, hazel eyed Irish father who got deep, dark tans in the summer this topic has always fascinated me. Also, R1B1 exists in other places, like Chad , Bahrain, parts of southern Russia, and western China. Dance ghillies are often made from very lightweight leather, and they come in an assortment of colors to go with various dance costumes. I can see the connection with Map, Mac and Ap. The name Great Britain was to distinguish it from what is now Brittanny. info)) are the characteristic national bagpipe of Ireland. Many surnames in Irish are Gaelic surnames, suggesting that the holder of the surname is a descendant of people who lived in Ireland long before the English conquests of the Middle Ages. Mountsandel in Coleraine in the North of Ireland is the oldest known site of settlement in Ireland—remains of woven huts, stone tools and food such as berries and hazelnuts were discovered at the site in 1972. Some were handed over to the English for money. I guess we believe the myths we want to believe. At Hastings, the Breton tactic of the feigned retreat worked wonders and Harold's shield wall slowly crumbled until he had nowhere to hide from the archers and the knights. The intriguing content was well covered and you explained it so well, excellent hub. The family names 'MacLaughlin' and "Toner" (among others) are believed to be descended from Viking settlers. The Connaught rangers. There was a very large population here at that time, what happened to them? The dresses worn by women are copies of the traditional Irish peasant dress and they are adorned with hand-embroidered Celtic designs based on the Book of Kells and Irish stone crosses. Both men and women wear hornpipe shoes, or soft shoes depending on the type of dance. The Kingdom of Dalriada c 500 AD is marked in green. You could see them in northern Portugal as well, such as in Guimaraes, but less so in Oporto. It's not known whether the King survived, but Arvandus was committed to stand trial for treason. Whilst all having similar qualities, each costume is different depending on where it is coming from. I also make it a point to search for the haplogroups of my ancestors so I can learn more about my ethnicities I inherited from them. Apparently their languages have been replaced on several occasions. But two things stood against delving into her line of the genealogy. Irish elk, (Megaloceros giganteus), also called Irish deer or giant deer, extinct species of deer, characterized by immense body size and wide antlers, commonly found as fossils in Pleistocene deposits in Europe and Asia (the Pleistocene Epoch began 2.6 million years ago and ended about 11,700 years ago). As stated in my earlier comment here, I visited Northern Spain recently and saw at least 3 doubles. What we can take from all of this is that, although the Irish today feel part of a single group united by cultural and national identity, this culture and identity is ultimately founded on waves of migration connecting the island to the wider world of European peoples and beyond. Here, a lot of traditional customs are followed which is quite a contrast to the modern life that is led in the urban areas of Ireland. I was lucky to stumble upon your post today, Marie. Colleen is an Irish name that means "girl" and it has been used to describe a particular look associated with Irish ancestry. The two-day process starts with a shampoo on a Friday so the hair can be rolled on Saturday. It says the first settlers to arrive in Ireland were a small dark people called the Fir Bolg, followed by a magical super-race called the Tuatha de Danaan (the people of the goddess Dana). Thanks for sharing! And that includes the Saxons and the Jutes. Thanks! So I personally think that Marie has a valid point in her original article. Today, people living the north of Spain in the region known as the Basque Country share many DNA traits with the Irish. So Magnus's two bases saved European civilisation. Tin Whistle : This tiny instrument plays a big role in Irish music, and related instruments have been a part of the development of the genre for thousands of years. From Ireland they over time moved into Wales, Cornwall, Isle of Mann and Scotland, and later Brittany. However, Aetius was afraid that with all the Huns dead, the Visigoths under Thorismund would become an overwhelming threat, so he disbanded the army and let Attila live to ravage northern Italy. I thought it was well written and I look forward to reading more. Any ideas about the Conley name? We know there was a huge influx of people into Britain from the fifth century, the English, but these are not mentioned. The Norse allies of the Bretons settled in the Loire valley, but in the early 900s they betrayed them (shades of Arvandus and the Goths) and overran Brittany, pillaging and destroying all over. In Cornwall, the Cornish have little genetic evidence of invaders and outsiders, as the Romans and then Anglo/Saxons, and later the Normans, basically left the place alone, nominally controlling that area. King Alfred was a member of the House of Cerdic, whose name is Old British. The aforesaid Earl Gospatric's family honoured Alan's memory by naming some of their sons "Alan", most notably Alan of Allerdale and Alan of Galloway. Turns out, I have only a 1% portion of my DNA from Eastern Europe—and an equal amount of “Iberian.”. According to Diochra, Irish dancers in the 19th century generally wore their Sunday best, with the men in knee breeches. I agree - if someone ever spent the time and money to investigate it we'd most probably all trace back to the same African woman about a zillion years ago. Unlike today when a regiment goes overseas for a few months only. The O'Neill family, who claim to descend from Niall, have certainly been a powerful family through the ages in Ireland. There are plenty of blond and red-haired, though it's usually auburn, to be seen walking around the streets of Santiago de Compostela or Noia, or Vigo for that matter, along with the usual suspect "Mediterranean" type. They believe some of these people moved northwards along the Atlantic coast bringing Celtic language and culture to Ireland and Britain, as well as France. Jim Drummond from Rugby, Warwickshire on July 29, 2013: I have always been fascinated by my origins/race and have for some time believed I am related to either Italian or Spanish. Still wondering about my origins as I am intrigued about the Spanish possibilities! This is the reason why the Basque and Irish both in some ways slightly genetically related, with high levels of R1b specific DNA, do not share a common ancestral heritage nor language. Another interesting finding about Irish DNA is that many men in North West Ireland (and their descendants around the world, including about 2% of men in New York today) are descended from a single man who lived in Ireland around 1600-1700 years ago. However, it is still true today that the Irish do eat a lot of potatoes and we enjoy doing so. The MC1R gene has been identified by researchers as the gene responsible for red hair as well as the accompanying fair skin and tendency towards freckles. Some scholars even argue that the Iberian peninsula (modern-day Spain and Portugal) was once heavily populated by Celtiberians who spoke at now-extinct Celtic language. Blood has been spilt over the question of national identity. This coincides with the time of the famous Irish king Niall of the Nine Hostages, who legend says brought St Patrick to Ireland as a slave. We are creatures of the past. Your great grandmother's family might have had a different spelling but essentially the same name. Marie there is a wealth of books that touch on the subject, not directly of course, but included in the records of a British army as it fought its way through history. The problem in researching these records is getting past the romantic and mythical nonsense written about the wild geese. To us, Muggles, the Harry Potter alternative universe of Irish dancing looks increasingly like a weird hybrid of child beauty pageants and intensely competitive combat sports like … Nell Rose from England on October 01, 2017: its funny really because the only true Celtic people in the UK are the English and Welsh! I'll be a follower now and I can't wait to read more. Around 407 Armorica declared independence from Rome, but remained a staunch ally. Another group of Vikings, led by Rollo, settled in the Lower Seine, took Rouen and threatened to take Paris. The ambiguity comes in when trying to determine whether dark-haired Irish people are genetically distinct from Irish with lighter coloring. However, heavily embroidered dance dresses date back only to the 1990s or so. Meanwhile, the research team also examined the remains of three 4,000 year-old men from the Bronze Age and revealed that another wave of migration to Ireland had taken place, this time from the edges of Eastern Europe. Marie McKeown (author) from Ireland on February 16, 2014: Thanks for sharing the link to that article - very interesting! So I can make the assumption but I cannot be certain. I bow before you! Furthermore, England has seen more arrivals of new people from Europe - Anglo-Saxons and Normans - than Ireland. There are also interesting cultural similarities along the western seaboard of Europe, stretching from Spain up to Ireland - as has been written about by the archeologist Barry Cunliffe. Heidi: Yes, the idea that enough Spaniards survived shipwrecks during the Armada by swimming ashore in Ireland's west coast to have left a sizable genetic marker there has been debunked. But uh, that could just be a wild boast :). Sometime nicknames became family names. Gedmatch.com has allowed me to compare my DNA against my Mother's so I could learn what I didn't get from her and what part of I got from my Dad, like his African, Middle Eastern and Native American. I hope this clarifies things a little, though I accept it is a very complicated topic. Both the latter began life as European [Irish] Infantry regiments in the service of the British east India company, and therefore serviced most of their life in and around the Indian continent. However, research into both British and Irish DNA suggests that people on the two islands have much genetically in common. Incidentally it was common practise to recruit blacks as regimental musicians and these would remain with the band until death, desertion, or demob. There are still remnants of their presence scattered across the island. I did DNA got 97% Irish which I think is a high number, 2 % Finland, 1% Native American. I want to visit there one day, I am learning as much as I can to pass it down to my children and grandchildren. BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on March 02, 2014: There is a difference between the land and the people Joseph. Still, some of the best-established Irish traditional bands (like The Chieftains) do have a harpist in their bands, adding a soft melodic and harmonic texture to the music. As you can see it was quite a source of manpower, manpower that was needed to hold and control an empire. Many cultures do or did this, Saudi Arabia they use ibn, so ibn Sa'ud mean son of Sa'ud. BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on February 02, 2014: Hi Marie, I found your hub very interesting and informative. Regarding the Black Irish, not many Spanish sailors and soldiers who got ship-wrecked during the Armada survived. In the 1801 census some 80% of the population lived in the countryside while the remaining 20% lived in what towns and cities there were. I think Irish culture has been influenced by people who have arrived from different parts of Europe at different times. Last name: Duffy. BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on February 19, 2014: Hi Esnui, I took a look at English Origenes and I am sorry but I do not buy it. For reasons we don't yet understand, R1b also occurs in large and apparently ancient concentrations among native American populations around the Great Lakes, as well as in western Siberia, and in Chad in central Africa. There are old legends that tie into some of these findings ~ in particular that Scotia (Scotland) daughter of a Pharoah and Gaelos (Gaelic) son of a Greek King and their entourage moved through NW Spain (Basques) to Ireland about the time of Moses. It was thought there would be a chance to find DNA which had not been mixed with that of other groups such as the English of Norwegians. He does consider himself Welsh, though he never learned to speak it growing up near Swansea. There are two kinds of Dane in Denmark. He did so, landing in Armorica (the region west of the Seine and north of the Loire), where he established a base manned by troops from Powys and Gwynedd in Wales, it's said under the command of Conan Meriadoc, a Prince of Powys whose relative Elen, Magnus had married. Both fathers had genetic testing done recently and they both have DNA matches from Ireland and Spain. My father is full blooded Spanish and my mother was full blooded Irish. The people called themselves the English and did so before they crossed the North Sea. Mar 29, 2015 - This Pin was discovered by Emilie Braun. Mary Kelly Godley from Ireland on July 24, 2013: Very interesting Hub. The conclusions in the article tend to suggest I was on the right track. This is a really interesting article and brings about a few "aha" and "oh?" This interesting name, with variant forms, Duffie, MacDuffie, McFee, McPhee, D'Duffie and O'Duhig, is an Anglicization of the ancient Gaelic personal name "Mac Dhubhshith" a compound of elements, "mac" meaning "son of" plus "dubh", "black" and "sith", peace, hence "son of the black one of peace". The origin of the name Townsend is simple. Then he allied with the ousted Count of Nantes to defeat the remnant of the Loire vikings at the battle of Trans-La-Foret. BigBlue54 from Hull, East Yorkshire on February 28, 2014: Well we all came originally from Africa via the Middle East. Today in Ireland there are céili’s held all over the country celebrating the traditional Irish dance, music, and storytelling. Other kingdoms you may of heard of was Wessex, Alfred the Great and Mercia with King Offa who built Offa's dyke to keep the people of wale out. and the 88th regt. The explanation given on the website looked more like a little bit of knowledge and a very large amount of guess work. I'm very skeptical about some of the assumptions here regarding the relationship between the two lands, which might be far older than the time you refer to. I have always wanted to know where me and the family came from but find the DNA is to expensive to have done and analysed. Any ideas on the best way to further the search in Ireland for a name that has so many variant spellings? This article helps explain the results of my DNA test. There are two kinds of Irish dance shoes. It turns out they had not done the research properly because when Cromwell had been in Ireland he had garrisoned the island and then left them behind when he left. AHA. There are a large number of surnames which originate from an ancestors occupation. The Korean archers just used them for target practise. 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